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randall 
"I like to watch."
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 Posted - 15/06/2007 : 20:41:49
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demonic 
"Cinemaniac"
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Posted - 16/06/2007 : 02:45:27
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Sal - in cases where I've noticed an incomplete accolade I check to see if they're now a defunct fwiffer first(at least judging from their last review approval date) or I'd definitely message them about it. If they're gone it seemed right to post on the Fourum for a Merpish intervention - but that doesn't seem to have worked in the last six months or so. I'm not too surprised though what with reviewing backlogs and other more pressing matters. Maybe accolades need a report button in the same way reviews have - that way they can easily be brought to the attention with similar tags - similar to another accolade, requires updating etc.?
I think in the case of an actor or director's output accolade not having an auto-update on it is a bit fruitless as you end up with an incomplete list. And the 'auto' is essential if the creator has moved on from FWFR for less interesting web places.
I'd agree with Randall that auto-updates aren't particularly beneficial in terms of random word accolades that don't require any thought to assemble. My own random word accolades are all selected specifically (e.g. "What's the Point", "Something Fishy")- mainly because I don't like to review films that I have no knowledge or interest in and wouldn't expect others to win one of my accolades by having to review a dozen or more films that nobody's ever heard of or will ever see. I think there are enough great (and greatly bad) films out there that need reviewing to worry about the terminally obscure ones. Anyway, I like to make accolades that encourage people to watch the films in question, or at least be interested enough that if they pop up on TV they might watch them - an auto-update on a random list there seems to be no particular editorial interest at all. |
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SixFourian
"Four ever European"
The European Union
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Posted - 17/06/2007 : 11:54:44
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Originally posted by demonic
Sal - in cases where I've noticed an incomplete accolade I check to see if they're now a defunct fwiffer first(at least judging from their last review approval date) or I'd definitely message them about it.
Even non-current reviewers might well be happy to pop back to make an update.
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If they're gone it seemed right to post on the Fourum for a Merpish intervention - but that doesn't seem to have worked in the last six months or so.
N.B. Unless things have changed, MERPs cannot currently make this sort of correction. |
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Rovark
"Luck-pushing, rule-bending, chance-taking reviewer"
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Posted - 17/06/2007 : 16:48:23
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I've just updated my Accolade Collections details and there's a couple of new ones in there. One's open ended - sort of, and the other closed. May I introduce an accolade of films based on books by Daphne du Maurier. There's only 7 films in it and I don't expect this to change quickly or dramatically, if at all.
Daphne Du Maurier
Then the wonderfull Margaret Rutherford as Agatha Christie's Miss Marple. There were 4 films originally but also a 5th, Poirot film, in which Rutherford appeared in charactor. This is about as closed as an accolade can be as pretty much all the players are long gone
Margaret's marvelous Marple movies
Both appropriately Trophy'd
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duh 
"catpurrs"
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Posted - 19/06/2007 : 16:11:01
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I've started a new accolade and need suggestions:
'Lemonade from Lemons'
Objective: Actors and Actresses who face real-life physical or mental challenges or distinctions that are shown as part of the character they play.
Best Years Of Our Lives, The (1946) - Harold Russell
Simon Birch (1998) - Ian Michael Smith
I wondered if Jeremy Howard (Bird man and Smoking postal worker from MIB2) has Treacher Collins, but can find no evidence this is so. His father Joe Collins has a similar, less exaggerated appearance. However, I suppose I could include Jeremy Howard anyhow, as his long neck and thin face did contribute to his MIB2 character.
I've decided to exclude porn stars, because if I didn't, I'd have a really BIG, LONG list.
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lemmycaution
"Long mired in film"
Canada
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Posted - 19/06/2007 : 16:48:55
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Originally posted by duh
I've started a new accolade and need suggestions:
'Lemonade from Lemons'
Objective: Actors and Actresses who face real-life physical or mental challenges or distinctions that are shown as part of the character they play.
Best Years Of Our Lives, The (1946) - Harold Russell
Simon Birch (1998) - Ian Michael Smith
I wondered if Jeremy Howard (Bird man and Smoking postal worker from MIB2) has Treacher Collins, but can find no evidence this is so. His father Joe Collins has a similar, less exaggerated appearance. However, I suppose I could include Jeremy Howard anyhow, as his long neck and thin face did contribute to his MIB2 character.
I've decided to exclude porn stars, because if I didn't, I'd have a really BIG, LONG list.
Marlee Matlin in 'Children of a Lesser God'. |
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SixFourian
"Four ever European"
The European Union
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Posted - 19/06/2007 : 16:52:13
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Originally posted by duh
I wondered if Jeremy Howard (Bird man and Smoking postal worker from MIB2) has Treacher Collins
Looking at him, I wouldn't have thought so.
There are loads of dwarfs who've been in films. Do you mean they would need to be portraying dwarfs, rather than other short characters?
People with learning difficulties have relatively often played characters with learning difficulties, especially when there are associated physical characteristics, such as with Down's syndrome.
Is everyone just themselves in Freaks? I seem to think it's fictionalised. The Hilton sisters definitely play other (though similar) characters in Chained for Life.
There's the actor who plays Brit in The Sixth Happiness, and there's a film about a guy affected by thalidomide, but in that he's just playing himself. |
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duh
"catpurrs"
See Fourum for details.
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Posted - 19/06/2007 : 17:02:35
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by duh
I wondered if Jeremy Howard (Bird man and Smoking postal worker from MIB2) has Treacher Collins
Looking at him, I wouldn't have thought so.
There are loads of dwarfs who've been in films. Do you mean they would need to be portraying dwarfs, rather than other short characters?
People with learning difficulties have relatively often played characters with learning difficulties, especially when there are associated physical characteristics, such as with Down's syndrome.
Is everyone just themselves in Freaks? I seem to think it's fictionalised. The Hilton sisters definitely play other (though similar) characters in Chained for Life.
There's the actor who plays Brit in The Sixth Happiness, and there's a film about a guy affected by thalidomide, but in that he's just playing himself.
Good questions related to refinement of the requirements, Salopian.
It will be limited to fictional characters in fictional movies; the actors cannot be playing themselves and cannot be in roles that are in documentaries. Historical fiction is OK, such as John Luguizamo in Moulin Rouge.
'Shallow Hal' comes to mind as a source, too.
The gal who plays the mother in 'What's Eating Gilbert Grape' would be eligible.
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Do you mean they would need to be portraying dwarfs, rather than other short characters?
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No, because their height/size would be an asset to their roles. Kenny Baker as R2D2, for example.
I think I will include Jaye Davidson in 'The Crying Game' as well. As a straight male friend of mine said when I commented that straight women like to look at Jaye Davidson, "He made a damn good looking woman too."
Marlee Matland -- thanks Lemmy!
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lemmycaution
"Long mired in film"
Canada
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Posted - 20/06/2007 : 12:53:38
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The Eighth Day (1996) has a Down Syndrome character played by Pascal Duquenne who has Down Syndrome. He shared the Cannes best actor award with Daniel Auteuil.
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Downtown 
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
The Hub of the Universe
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Posted - 20/06/2007 : 14:14:32
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Originally posted by Salopian
Is everyone just themselves in Freaks? I seem to think it's fictionalised. The Hilton sisters definitely play other (though similar) characters in Chained for Life.
Ah, Freaks...truly one of the most underappreciated films of its time, if not all time. Browning was just too far ahead of his time.
It's definitely a work of fiction...sort of. The freaks are playing fictional characters...sort of. Probably the best way to describe it is that they're just getting into character, like they did every day while working at the sideshow. That's their jobs. So for most of the scenes, they're just interacting with each other the way they normally would, and I wouldn't be surprised if most of the social scenes are unscripted. Does that make it a documentary? No, it's still fiction...but it's based on their real lives...sort of.
Of course, I doubt any of them would have really done that to Cleopatra if they had the means. So yeah...it's definitely a work of fiction.
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Downtown
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
The Hub of the Universe
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Posted - 20/06/2007 : 14:42:44
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What was the name of that hemophiliac boy in the early 80s that became a lightning rod for paranoia about AIDS when parents tried to block him from going to school? I remember he had a brief appearance as another patient in the TV movie about himself.
Christopher Reeve was in that wretched remake of Rear Window.
You should definitely include some films with Michael Berryman, the easily recognizable actor with Hypohidrotic Ectodermal Dysplasia, which leaves him with no teeth, fingernails, sweat glands, or hair, and he has a mishapen head. You'd remember him as one of the mutant bikers from Weird Science ("Can we keep this between us? I'd hate to lose my teaching job."), or Pluto from the original The Hills Have Eyes.
Anyone that can play horror film monsters without makeup probably belongs here, so in addition to Michael Berryman I'd suggest you look up Rondo Hatton, especially Pearl of Death.
And then there's Harold Russell, who lost both hands during the war and later won Best Supporting Actor for The Best Years of Our Lives, for playing a fictional character...that lost both hands in the war. Earlier in the ceremony, he was given a special Oscar for being such an inspiration to injured veterans, mostly because they didn't expect he'd actually WIN the Best Supporting he was nominated for, and they wanted to make sure he got something...to this day, he's the only actor to receive two Oscar awards for the same part. |
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SixFourian
"Four ever European"
The European Union
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Posted - 20/06/2007 : 15:28:05
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Originally posted by Downtown
And then there's Harold Russell
Duh already got him. Duh!  |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 20/06/2007 : 16:36:47
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Peter Dinklage in The Station Agent - he's amazing; it's a lovely film!
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Downtown
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
The Hub of the Universe
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Posted - 20/06/2007 : 18:29:17
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Downtown
And then there's Harold Russell
Duh already got him. Duh!
Duh indeed! Well, so reading comprehension isn't my strong suit.
I'm pretty sure the title characters of the martial arts film Crippled Masters were really amputees, although I haven't seen it yet so I can't say for sure. |
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Accolade discussion and suggestions!
