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Salopian 
"Four ever European"
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 Posted - 03/31/2010 : 09:46:06
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
I would have hoped that it wouldn't have made any difference one way or another.
Well, I would have hoped that there wouldn't be wars and terrorism and starvation and disease and exploitation.
Oh dear, looks like hoping doesn't make a lot of difference.   |
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Salopian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 03/31/2010 : 09:58:00
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
[Justin Bieber] is probably too young to even know if he's gay or not.
At sixteen?! You reckon?
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Does it make a difference today that Neil Patrick Harris is gay? No.
He's not exactly a matinee idol, though, is he? How many (out) gay leading men are there in Hollywood? Actual leading men, not supporting actors.
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If we had known that when he was playing Doogie Houser, would it have made him less cute? No.
I don't know about 'cuteness' but absolutely no way would that series have continued with any success at that time and with him at that age. (I assume he was older than the character, but he was still pretty young.) There would have been total uproar.
C.L., I think you are falling into a common liberal straight trap. You think there shouldn't be any problem and see that things are much better than they were, so you think that there aren't really any significant problems nowadays. How many gay couples do you see hand in hand in Jerusalem (or any other big city, let alone small towns)? Not a whole lot, I bet.
I should point out that I think I have fallen into an equivalent trap regarding racism at times. Most people I know show no overt signs of racism, so it is not easy to be objective about how pervasive low-level racism is in the country. (None of us can be ignorant about its rarer high-level manifestations.) |
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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 03/31/2010 : 12:12:59
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Originally posted by Se�n
Gaahl is another singer who came out of the closet recently.
Now that's much more interesting than Ricky Martin.
I was rather surprised when he came out. He doesn't exactly conform to the stereotype of a gay musician/performer. (See photos from Krak�w, 2004 halfway down. Or a youtube clip from the same show. WARNING! Naked crucifixions, sheep heads, blood, inverted crosses and pentagrams etc.)
And yeah, much more interesting than Ricky Martin.  |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 03/31/2010 : 17:21:01
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Originally posted by Salopian
C.L., I think you are falling into a common liberal straight trap. You think there shouldn't be any problem and see that things are much better than they were, so you think that there aren't really any significant problems nowadays. How many gay couples do you see hand in hand in Jerusalem (or any other big city, let alone small towns)? Not a whole lot, I bet.
Hm... yeah, I probably am. But like I said, I'm an idealist, and my idealism sometimes gets in the way of my seeing reality sometimes. But as for gays in Jerusalem walking hand in hand - not many. However, if you wander around Tel Aviv, on the other hand, you'll see lots and lots. This is mostly because Jerusalem has such a large conservative religious population, where Tel Aviv is more secular and therefore more tolerant of the gay community. That doesn't mean there isn't a sizable gay community in Jerusalem.
But you know, for a country that's just about to turn only 62 years old, we're not doing too badly!
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Originally posted by Salopian
I should point out that I think I have fallen into an equivalent trap regarding racism at times. Most people I know show no overt signs of racism, so it is not easy to be objective about how pervasive low-level racism is in the country. (None of us can be ignorant about its rarer high-level manifestations.)
I hear you on this, and I'm sure that while we hate to admit it, we all fall into this trap on occasion.
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Airbolt
"teil mann, teil maschine"
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Posted - 04/04/2010 : 13:19:50
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There goes his "Guns and Ammo" cover shoot (oh, what bad timing!).
Most of the Village people were straight. Wnat a crazy mixed up world we live in. |
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Ricky Martin says that he is ... GAY!
